«Wait, So is this a romantic date?» Podcast Episode 203: Dating Men | Autostraddle

A fun fact concerning the queer community is many people have knowledge internet dating men. No, I am not only speaing frankly about the cis homosexual guys — I’m referring to nearly all of

all of our

audience! (Though I do wish there is a big contingency of cis gay male listeners tbh.) Whether you are a lesbian exactly who dated guys as a teenager or a queer individual that dates quite a few men and women, our area is too mixed and sex is far too challenging to leave males — cis and trans — off our very own talks.

This is exactly why recently our subject is internet dating men and all of our extremely unique visitor is actually author, director, podcaster, symbol, and my personal closest friend, Gaby Dunn! For people who do not know all of them, Gaby happens to be internet dating males in their whole identification quest. They speak with united states about internet dating guys when they believed they were a cis lady and matchmaking men now that they can be as transmasculine. We also get inside terrible cis guys from Boston that Christina dated before developing and wonder why i’ve a desire to shag Jon Hamm.

But initial! We play a-game I name «Netflix & Shill» that requires these concerns as: How homosexual could be the Olsen Twin vehicle

Nyc Instant

?


SHOW RECORDS

+ If you want a lot more of Gaby examine
the bout of terrible with Money
that Christina and that I had been on last year.

+ Since tracking, Gaby got their own two brand new Swayze tattoos!


+ And just an indication: you need to enjoy

Road Residence

.

+ vital footage of
Jenifer Lewis from the 2019 GLAAD honors
:

+ Jaida Essence Hall. The
hottest pig in town.

+ see Gaby’s brief film,

Grindr Child

.




EPISODE


Gaby:

I think easily have leading surgery, it will transform tremendously. Which is my personal concern usually as soon as I get leading surgery, these guys will probably be like, «hold off one minute.»


Christina:

«hang on. You got the titties out.»


Gaby:

Right. That is what I think.


Christina:

«What’s going on?»


Gaby:

«hold off a moment. You have got complete facial hair and shh, nevertheless these titties tend to be providing me personally an aside» after which as I don’t have all of them, I’m wondering whateverwill imagine.


[theme track performs]


Drew:

Hi, I Am Drew.


Christina:

I’m Christina.


Drew:

Thank you for visiting,

Wait, So Is This a romantic date?


Christina:


Wait, Is This a romantic date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast exactly about dating and learning if things are dates as well as other subject areas, even as we decide, those subject areas are going to be, while we record more symptoms with this podcast also known as,

Hold off, Is This a Date?

That took a turn. Have got to state, don’t count on just one term to recover from my mouth where purchase, but wow, here the audience is.


Drew:

I understood that in our intro, i’ve given you the duty of claiming something totally new whenever. I state, «Thanks for visiting hold off, So is this a night out together?» Then I get, «Christina,» and you get to just ad lib and it’s really always interesting.


Christina:

It’s always anything. As they say, hefty may be the mind that wears the top and my top is, periodically, these headsets and that podcast.


Drew:

Incredible. My name is Drew Gregory. Im a writer for Autostraddle, a filmmaker. You said last time that i usually paused before I state my identities. Once more, i am a queer trans girl and basic homosexual person.


Christina:

Which is attractive. I Am Christina Tucker. I am in addition a writer at Autostraddle and the internet are plentiful, Im a gay cis girl. By doing so, I think we are a truly beautiful staff.


Drew:

Once I think of Christina, I think cis girl.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

I don’t think huge faggot.


Christina:

Yeah. No. many thanks. That will be, in fact, additionally extreme part of my identification is being a gigantic faggot.


Drew:

Yeah.


Christina:

I’ve heard a rumor that you have a-game for me personally.


Drew:

We certain perform.


Christina:

By I’ve heard a rumor, What i’m saying is, you texted myself immediately.


Drew:

Yeah.


Christina:

In a variety of ways, something a rumor? Who are able to say? It could be whatever you want it to be with regard to a podcast.


Drew:

I’m hoping this can be ok.


Christina:

Oh boy.


Drew:

I am just gonna talk for a while therefore don’t have to state such a thing because I really don’t would like you to incriminate your self.


Christina:

Okay.


Drew:

You regularly work with a free account called, Most. It wasn’t had by Netflix. I really don’t truly comprehend the inner functions, but essentially, it was in control of sharing the queer material on Netflix every month. Now, before Netflix decided to fire a number of their queer employees prior to Pride, but before

that,

you were an element of the group that has been in control of pitching the things I would say is Netflix’s lackluster queer content. On a monthly basis, probably the most account ended up being tasked with issuing the queer content the thirty days. Very often, there was clearlyn’t enough queer content and/or queer content that has been indeed there, Netflix, for whatever reason, didn’t wanna advertise since it ended up being perhaps as well edgy or was actually foreign or any.

Most of the stuff’s on these databases would be to call it queer is reasonable, but because you no further have that task, I was thinking you might perform one finally hurrah, a-two months see if you will which was not issued through this business. I’ve a game title labeled as, «Netflix and Shill» where i’ll identify titles that were throughout the monthly «this is what’s queer and coming to Netflix.» I haven’t seen these, but I do genuinely believe that a lot of them commonly… no less than the queerness is subdued or slight or supporting figure. Everything I’m going to need away from you is for you to definitely reveal to me personally precisely why this work of mass media is so significantly important to queer record together with queer community.


Christina:

Okay. In my opinion i will do that rather than get sued.

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Drew:

Great.


Christina:

In my opinion that is exciting.


Drew:

Great. Well, okay. Our very first title is, a Netflix flagship series. We will pick

Bridgerton

.


Christina:


Bridgerton

.

Bridgerton

is actually significantly crucial that you the queer society due to two stars, the leads of, I guess, this finally season tend to be both queer. We celebrate queer stars regardless of if both are playing right by doing so.


Drew:

That’s truly beautiful.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

Queer actors could play straight functions.


Christina:

Yes, they may be able. Truly, Jonathan Bailey did a fairly impressive work of being a straight man. Good for him.


Drew:

I actually do love that. Okay. Then upwards,

Will it be Cake?


Christina:


Is-it Cake?

Frankly, of Netflix reality reveals that I saw during my tenure indeed there, I got a basketball enjoying

Will it be Cake?

and that’s both a comment on the amount of awful fact programs there are or exactly how busted my brain had been by this work. It really is difficult to state.

Can it be Cake?

had a bevy of queer contestants as well as, numerous gay judges such as Rebecca dark, which was extremely enjoyable and exciting.


Drew:

Right. Which is good.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

Okay. The ’90s film,

You’ve Got Mail.


Christina:

Fast cameo from Sara Ramirez and Nora Ephron truly is able to compose and gays like writing. I am not sure.


Drew:

In my opinion we do like writing. I could confirm that.


Christina:

It is really not my favorite for the Ephrons, but it is there. It really is in the canon.


Drew:

Yes.


Christina:

But i actually do consider it was that 10-second Sara Ramirez minute.


Drew:

Okay. Wow. I found myself probably say i will rewatch it because I really don’t remember all of them in it, but perhaps I shouldn’t rewatch it. Who is to say. Then upwards is actually,

I’m Sure Everything You Did Final Summer.


Christina:

I will draw a huge outdated blank about one. Gays do love terror in a fashion that Really don’t because I’m not that type of homosexual. Shouting is actually camp. I don’t know. Who is able to state?


Drew:

You heard it right here, folks, yelling is camp.


Christina:

Who is going to say? Really don’t know easily’ve actually ever seen that motion picture, to be truthful. I have to have because like a young child. I have to have checked it following made the decision, no, terror is simply not personally.


Drew:

Following up is one you most likely have observed.

Ny Instant.


Christina:

That’s the Lindsay Lohan movie, I believe.


Drew:

In my opinion it really is Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.


Christina:

Absolutely a Lindsay one which’s also about New York, but that features one thing to do with chance or something. Again, Mary-Kate and Ashley tend to be iconic and that they tend to be swamp witches now and will not do just about anything normal aside from love, generate huge beige clothes the Row, and that is in some way rather gay of them, but in fact, I don’t believe I have come across that movie.


Drew:

Wow.


Christina:

I do support the Olsens within their work.


Drew:

I adore that.


Christina:

And/or their own insufficient work recently. I believe that’s actually just as inspirational. They truly devote their unique time as youngsters.


Drew:

Another one i’ve maybe not viewed and you also probably have never viewed it. I tried to Google exactly how homosexual it absolutely was and that I don’t think it really is homosexual. Possibly really homosexual and I simply…

The Lincoln Lawyer

. Is

The Lincoln Attorney

gay?


Christina:

Exactly What?


Drew:

With Matthew McConaughey?


Christina:

If it’s, Im shocked to listen it. I’m trying to… No, I’ve not witnessed it. I am aware somewhat about Lincoln. He was large.


Drew:

He was also rumored as like a little homosexual, which explains why I’m like, «was actually The Lincoln Lawyer about… was Matthew McConaughey playing a gay attorney?» I really don’t think-so centered on my fast Google, but listener, if you have seen

The Lincoln Lawyer

, kindly give us a message. How homosexual could it be?


Christina:

Yeah. My personal estimate would say that there’s some gently gay subplot or there’s a gay star with it.


Drew:

Great.


Christina:

That will be the 2 explanations it could result in the record.


Drew:

Okay.

My Best Friend’s Wedding Ceremony.


Christina:

One particular iconic homosexual pal, I think, ever in Rupert Everett. Actually, the sole rom-com with an ending that I ever before actually recognized with because woman, you will end up alone but you will have your best gay buddy truth be told there at marriage obtainable. Definitely homosexual society.


Drew:

Which was a straightforward one, nevertheless felt well worth discussing. This, also, might-be an easy one for you especially, the 1982,

Annie.


Christina:

Though i will be a musical faggot, guy, perform I dislike

Annie?

Because son, perform I detest kiddies performing more than almost anything in the field. I find them all extremely frustrating. I think, «the sun’s rays can come away Tomorrow» is one of the worst tunes in music movie theater background.


Drew:

Bernadette Peters is in this 1, appropriate?


Christina:

Bernadette is in any particular one. That’s the one with Bernadette, which feels like adequate could be enough for me. She is notoriously a sticker back at my h2o bottle, but I got absolutely nothing.


Drew:

That is not an expression. I would like to express.


Christina:

No.


Drew:

Definitely literally… There’s a Bernadette Peters sticker on Christina’s water package. Yeah, observing it right now. There you go.


Christina:

She is above Viola Davis.


Drew:

Which is beautiful.


Christina:

I love background. Herstory, I’m sorry.


Drew:

We have three more. Oscar nominated film,

Never Look-up.


Christina:

Cate Blanchett gets to state whatever she wishes due to

Carol,

I believe. I believe that’s all.


Drew:

Okay.


Christina:

Gay men like Ariana Grande.


Drew:

Yeah. We seriously saw that film though I like to imagine in my own brain that i did not as it was actually so bad, but I didn’t recall there getting any gay figures. Had been Jennifer Lawrence bisexual inside?


Christina:

She had a bisexual haircut on it.


Drew:

Okay. That is sufficient. Okay. Two more.

My Personal Tiny Pony: A Generation.


Christina:

I don’t know what happens with those ponies.


Drew:

Are they gay?


Christina:

They are ponies. My personal instinct says certainly. There’s something gay about claiming the phrase, «My little pony,» exactly what takes place on that program, that is not my personal business.


Drew:

Great. Well then, we one more, that we don’t know should you have to see that one for work, but I heard situations.

Diana: The Musical.


Christina:

Oh son did we view

Diana: The Musical.

That was very hard to look at. I’m sure there clearly was a contingent of movie theater gays who are similar, «No. Actually, we are bravely coming out to declare that

Diana: The Musical

is brilliant.» I wish to have a long talk to those gays because i will be perplexed by that. Really, it really is music, so method of exactly like, gays like a musical, but also, I think their valet or something is actually homosexual however specifically gay, but has a huge homosexual guy dressing a fairly woman energy. Boy, that musical was actually awful.


Drew:

Is there mention of AIDS in the music?


Christina:

Oh yeah, there’s an entire, in reality, world that I really blocked as a result of stress because it’s a musical wide variety about having HIV and HELPS and it is terrible, terrible, bad words.


Drew:

Wow.


Christina:

Lyrically a flop.


Drew:

Wow. Well, this was an extremely gorgeous time.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

Thank you so much for playing this risky video game beside me. I’d the same as to state that while I don’t help big companies or comedians who’re transphobic, I do love the tv series, Sex knowledge and I would take Netflix cash to create my own tv series each time they want. Merely putting that on the record.


Christina:

In my opinion that’s outstanding thing to get from the record.


Drew:

Perhaps following this I’ll pop some popcorn and watch The Lincoln attorney.


Christina:

I enjoy that. Of all the films on number, this is the one where you’re like, «I had gotten some questions we got to untangle here.»


Drew:

Really, let us proceed to our very own topic with the week, and is online dating males. We typically say, we now have a rather unique visitor because we do not really do like not unique guests because what’s the point of having a podcast for this.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

But this individual is actually my companion. I will allow the chips to present by themselves.


Gaby:

Oh my personal Jesus. Hi. I Am Gaby Dunn. I’m Drew’s companion. I’m also a writer and a noted internet bisexual gay person. Yeah. We are employed in TV and film. Often guides, occasionally podcasts. I’m sure you are going to perform some thing at the end, and is like, «promote anything you wish market or whatever.» I won’t bore you up leading, but…


Christina:

Do not.


Gaby:

Yeah. Largely, i will be your pal. Hi.


Christina:

Yeah.


Gaby:

Yeah.


Christina:

Yeah. That’s the best benefit, In my opinion.


Drew:

Have you ever dated a man?


Gaby:

Oh my Jesus. Oh son. Okay. Here’s my journey.


Drew:

Yeah.


Gaby:

I became like the bisexual cis lady for the internet for a time. We, yeah, dated lots of males. Today, i am like a nonbinary transmasculine individual. I am however internet dating guys, but it is various. My partner is a transmasculine individual. They may be on testosterone, after that others I’m seeing are several trans men. Absolutely one cis guy, but they are dead for me immediately and then other folks that… It is reached be more of a T4T circumstance up in right here, but yeah, I accustomed date lots of… We’re roasting cis men. Usually everything we’re doing?


Drew:

No. No, I’d never. No. I think what I’m interested in is, once we had been very first discussing the summer season and possible subject areas and friends, this is in January, I became like, «Oh, well, by the time, we might have Gaby, I believe they’ll be a man.» Which is additionally an interesting dynamic. I’m not sure about this, but it undoubtedly hasn’t perhaps not come true using ways. I am contemplating simply mapping the trajectory of all other ways. Demonstrably, gender is actually difficult. Every specific connection is its very own relationship, but I’m sure Christina has actually experience online dating cis men as a cis woman. You have got experienced matchmaking cis men as a «cis girl.»


Christina:

Yes.


Drew:

You have got knowledge matchmaking trans males as a «cis lady.»


Gaby:

Yeah, atmosphere estimates. Air estimates around all that.


Drew:

Yeah. You Simply Can’t begin to see the environment quotes because—


Christina:

Oh they can hear all of them. They certainly were very audible with the audience.


Gaby:

Yeah.


Drew:

Now, you’re a transmasculine person however dating men, both cis and trans. I don’t know. I’m only enthusiastic about stepping into the distinctions and particular patterns.


Gaby:

Yes.


Drew:

And exacltly what the relationship was to guys as… Really, there is an enormous difference between being a closeted transmasculine individual and a cis woman.


Gaby:

Yeah.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

Both of you offer those point of views and wow.


Christina:

Yeah.


Drew:

How fascinating personally.


Gaby:

Okay. Here is the one thing. I am 2 months on T, now, as we speak. That is a really different journey. We was released as nonbinary this past year, practically last year. I was however awesome femme during the time although, precisely what does that mean? I experienced long-hair, but We have slashed my personal hair. I’m on T. The T is starting showing. We have a little mustache. We still have boobies. I simply cannot ever before accept all of them. Today, its just a little interesting using cis straight guys that we see because i am love, «carry out i need to care about everything you identify because? Does that matter in my opinion? Just what are you? Exactly what are you watching myself because? What’s this?»

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